Talk:Thokyunèhòta/Grammar

Dunomapuka: so, you didn't want it to retain the default OSV? --Basilius 13:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I thought long and hard about it - but it didn't feel like the right development from topic-comment word order. --Dunomapuka 18:54, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I understand you very well ;) - However, there is an equally (although not similarly) bizarre thing happening to WO in Máotatšàlì, and I had an idea about a common (or similar) substrate for the two langs, to explain this. I am not really objecting (a decently elaborated version of Thok. has a priority), but if this point were still open to discussion, I'd share my idea on Akana Forum to see how it might work with Thok.. --Basilius 15:31, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

the sound changes listed here are in tentative draft form only. I am checking them against the actual lexicon. --Dunomapuka 23:35, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

At home I have the beginnings of an Isles etymological database I was working on a while ago; it's unfinished, but IIRC a bunch of the Thok. lexicon is done. I could probably email it to you if you'd like. --Corumayas 02:50, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok yeah, I'd like to have a look at that, plz. --Dunomapuka 08:09, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

The borrowings from Fáralo could be from an eastern variant where /e o/ were originally [ɛi ɔu], as in the Čisse dialect, and then underwent a change (particular to that area) to [ai au]. Perhaps in this variant /ɛ ɔ/ were closer to [e o]. Thoughts? --thedukeofnuke 23:42, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, most instances of Fáralo [ɛi ɔu] are derived from earlier */ai au/, so we'd simply need a slightly conservative variety of the language. -- Cedh 07:38, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Or even just an earlier variety? Presumably the borrowings would be from pre-classical Fáralo anyway, given the date of Thok. --Corumayas 08:12, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

True, though a lot of them are also from nasal /e o/. I guess I could change some of the words to fit this, like kamaṭu to kamoṭu (F. goumoudu < NT gau mondu). --Dunomapuka 20:52, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

It's gaomaotú 'compass' in Máotatšàlì, which suggests that the nasalized vowel merged with the diphthong anyway (realized as [au] in that intermediary dialect). --Basilius 02:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)