Talk:Languages of Akana

There are an awful lot of lists of languages in various places on the wiki-- especially for the Edastean family. It makes it rather tedious to make changes. Can they be consolidated? Corumayas 02:06, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

The thing is that most of these different lists are of different depths. I think it should be possible to create a single list which can optionally show or hide parts of the tree though, using the Toggler or Collapsible templates. Cedh 08:01, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I've included the /Edastean subpage in the language overview page. We should probably do the same for the other families, so that in the end all family trees will be found in subpages to Languages of Akana. Some care is needed though: some of those subpages already exist, and are included in the family articles. Cedh 08:39, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks (and sorry about the editing conflict there)! The only reason I hesitated to do what you're doing now is that some versions of the lists contain different information (e.g. the location of each lang, or the date) and I wasn't sure how important that information is... but I agree, it would be best if all the language trees were modular subpages, rather than typed out in each article. We can do this gradually... there's getting to be a lot of articles to go through now (which is awesome actually). Corumayas 09:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Right. Maybe a different format would be useful, but I have no idea currently how it should look. Having dates in the trees is certainly a good thing. Locations too, probably. In the context of individual language pages, they're not really needed though... Another thing we'll have to decide is where to put the language credits. It's nice to have them in the overview page, but I prefer not listing them elsewhere, to get a more in-world feel. We have a credits field in the language infobox template anyway. What do you think? Cedh 09:25, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I support removing all sub-information (credits, dates, locations) from the family trees that appear in 1. language pages and 2. the Languages of Akana page. All of that info is now easily visible just by clicking the language name links, so it's superfluous. However, on language family pages, I think we should systematically include dates and locations (but not credits) so that the breadth of the family in space and time is visible in one place at a glance. Radius 12:33, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

This isn't possible if we want the family trees in one central place only: The tree data would be on subpages of Languages of Akana, being included on the overview page and on the individual family pages; but you can't have the same wiki page included in two different ways AFAIK. It wouldn't be too bad if Languages of Akana does contain space and time information though, and removing all sub-information from single language pages is some work but no big deal. Cedh 19:23, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

The thing is, some langs are only found on the Edastean tree, which started life as the master list of who did what for the previous relay. I guess we could remove the sub-information from the tree and give each of those langs a stub page, though.

Relatedly, should the trees include links to offsite langauge descriptions, or only to wiki pages? I'd be in favor of the latter if every lang had a wiki page with links to all relevant information.

If we want sub-information on language family pages only, maybe those pages could just have that information included in their text? Corumayas 19:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

(Incidentally, I grouped Kuyʔūn in the Athalēran branch because it seems to share more developments with Aθáta than the other daughters do. But if you prefer to list it as its own branch I'll leave it be.) Corumayas 09:09, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Kuyʔūn was designed to share some grammatical developments with Aθáta, but probably even more so with Kozado and Mavakhalan. Genetically it is closest to Mavakhalan (the first third of the sound changes is very similar). Cedh 09:25, 19 November 2009 (UTC)